Three, two, one. Thunder Nerds are go. Welcome back to the podcast. It's been another week, but guess what? It's been so busy lately, like back to back weeks where I haven't been able to get recordings out one week after another.
Thundernerd 1:Not ideal. Not ideal. There's been breaks between. Shit. There's been a little bit of news, but look, we've got to get this guy in.
Thundernerd 1:He's back again for the Monday edition of the podcast. It's
The Ice Warrior:How
Thundernerd 1:you doing, buddy?
The Ice Warrior:Not doing too bad. I'm looking forward to getting into it, you know. It's been it's been a little while.
Thundernerd 1:Getting stuck in. I feel like yeah. You were you were there in the last edition, but yeah. I just haven't been able to get these out consistently as of late, which is just so annoying. But look, we're here now.
Thundernerd 1:So and I think you've got some some gaming stuff to talk through, but let's let's let's hit the play on this one. Let's get straight into yesterday's news. It's time for yesterday's news. Alright. Let's talk.
Thundernerd 1:I've got some stuff on my agenda. Do you wanna do film and TV first?
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. Let's go over it. Okay. Let's go over it.
Thundernerd 1:Now the first thing that I've got is that the Gerry Anderson team announced the and I don't know if you're if you're a fan of Thunderbirds, but I was a massive fan of Thunderbirds. That's what the podcast is obviously a homage to, right, in the name, but Thunderbirds is a nineteen sixties super marionation show, and it's freaking awesome. Have you seen it?
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. I've seen it. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Man, it's so good.
Thundernerd 1:But anyway, they announced a sixtieth anniversary collector's edition box set. Very nice. And I picked that up straight away. It cost 230 AUD, but that is a must. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:And it's got like, you know, it's it's back to four by three ratio as it should be, which I think the the other Blu ray Blu ray release that they did some time ago was not like that, so the image was a little bit stretched. Right. It's got some restored scenes whenever there. It's got a new documentary that's like eighty minutes on the you know, with people that voice it or, you know, some some kind of famous fans of the show, like going through and talking about the impact that it had on them and that kind of thing. It's got like a 200 something page like episode guide with new artwork, and it looks freaking awesome.
Thundernerd 1:So that that that was announced. That's coming out. Nice. That's one thing. Okay?
Thundernerd 1:Now, doctor who, did you see Moffat's comments recently come up in the the comments?
The Ice Warrior:Not Moffat's. No. I mean, I've seen bits and pieces from other people, but I haven't seen Moffat say anything recently. What have I missed?
Thundernerd 1:Gotcha. It was this was only like well, actually, I'll tell you when it was. September 2, this was something that Moffat said. He was speaking to the Radio Times when he, you know, kind of went through this. Right?
Thundernerd 1:He's talking about this whole will will doctor who go off air, will doctor who not go off air conversation. Mhmm. And they were trying to, I guess, probe him, and he said, I hope it comes back. I don't have any inside information, and I'm only vaguely in touch with Russell Z. Davies, and that's usually us talking about the fact that we're both working for Channel four at the moment.
Thundernerd 1:I don't know what the future is. I hope there is one, but I have no idea. The spin off's been shot, and I imagine decisions don't get taken until that's gone out, and that's not for a while, but it's always painful when it's off air. Think there's a national duty for the BBC to make Doctor Who. What's your thoughts on that?
The Ice Warrior:I I think it's it's it's a fairly it's a fairly safe answer. I mean, there's nothing really to be said about it. It is he is kind of reiterating what others have said there towards the end where the BBC has a national duty to keep playing Doctor Who. So it's gonna it's gonna be coming back. I just don't think that I mean, I just don't think there's gonna be Disney deal.
The Ice Warrior:I don't think there's gonna be
Thundernerd 1:So you don't think it's renewing after War Between
The Ice Warrior:the Sea? Unless War Between the the Lend Lend and the Sea is the best piece of Doctor Who media that we've ever seen, I just don't think the numbers are there. I don't think the interest is there from from Disney standpoint, from a fan standpoint. I think that it really it really could have been the golden era for Doctor Who had it been handled well. I don't think it has.
The Ice Warrior:So big budget might be staying away from him for a while, which is a bit of a shame. But I mean, it'll
Thundernerd 1:kind of Does does it force back some creativity though if you don't have the money that you've been running rampant within? Maybe it just brings back, like, some of that claustrophobic storytelling and and smaller, like, using your mind. Do you know what I'm saying? Like you like, really coming up with some good ideas and I feel like that's it's not that it has it's not that we didn't get that in the shooting out era. We did get some interesting high concept stories and some storytelling.
Thundernerd 1:It's just that it has it has lacked in areas. And when it's lacked, it's like big time, I feel.
Thundernerd 1:So Yeah. Is it
Thundernerd 1:a national duty for the BBC to bring it back? I think it's more just in the BBC's best interests to bring it back because it's become such a cash cow for them through merchandising and all that. I think it could do with a break, personally. I don't Russell did say recently, he was talking someone asked him about the war between the land and sea, and and Russell does tend to gas things up at the best of times anyway, but why wouldn't he, I guess? He's it's it's his stuff that he's making, he's trying to get eyes on it, but he said something like, oh, the war between the land and the sea, we've we've cut it all together and I've seen it, and and this is coming out 2026, we know that.
Thundernerd 1:But he goes, oh, it's better than any of us could have could have imagined. Like and and the way it was phrased, I'm not using the exact phrasing there, but it almost sounded like what was this expected to be not good? And then it's come together better than you thought? Like but, you know, look, they've they've done this before with something like Torchwood Children of Earth, which I don't know if you've seen Torchwood, but Torchwood season three was some of the best anything to come out of Doctor Who universe, anything. Like, it's so good, Children of Earth.
Thundernerd 1:And if this has got that adult tone, and it's and it already, if you've seen the trailer, looks darker, grittier, looks more real, I think. The colors are a little bit less Yeah. Washed out, then that's a good sign. So let's hope that it is good. But will will even that be enough to get it over the line with Disney?
Thundernerd 1:I don't think so, but we'll see. So Difficult to say. Yeah. So that's Doctor Who. I don't really have it much more for Doctor Who.
Thundernerd 1:One battle after another. Now this is the new Paul Thomas Anderson film. It is releasing September 26 in cinemas across The United States and I guess probably worldwide thereafter. He had a message, which I I kind of really dig this from PTA. He goes, time's up, pencil's down, we finished the film, and I wanted to write a note to share a few things.
Thundernerd 1:Now this is starring Leonardo DiCaprio. Right? New PTA film. One battle after another will play in many formats across the world. For the first time in a long time, a film will be projected in VistaVision.
Thundernerd 1:It's unlikely many of us have ever seen this. The last wide release film projected in VistaVision was One Eyed Jacks in 1961. By but now it's back. We've made three VistaVision prints. They will play in Los Angeles, New York, and London.
Thundernerd 1:That's a shame. I I wish I could say this, but they'll play in Los Angeles, New York, and London. I hope if you can, that it's possible for you to see it this way. If you like it big and loud and amazing, we also have it in IMAX 70 millimeter film screenings. If you like old fashioned five perf 70 millimeter prints, then we have that too.
Thundernerd 1:So you don't need to be you don't need reminding, but it always bears repeating that seeing film on film is the way that nature intended. So don't go against nature and seek out your local theater that projects film. I love that. I love it when
The Ice Warrior:No. That's good.
Thundernerd 1:You know what mean? I love it when directors that just get passion. They go, like, I want you to see it how I envisioned it, and I made it on this, and I want you to see it if you can. Like, that's how film should be. It shouldn't be on your fucking phone, man.
Thundernerd 1:It shouldn't be on your laptop. It should be seen at the cinema when something like this comes around from a a great director Yeah. Of his generation. We gotta go see this. We gotta respect it, see how it's intended.
Thundernerd 1:So
The Ice Warrior:That's true.
Thundernerd 1:That's a few of the things that were floating around film and TV that caught my eye. Gaming wise, Indiana Jones, and the great circle, the Order of Giants DLC, it's out right now. It is. And I am so freaking keen for it. Have you dived into this one yet?
The Ice Warrior:I haven't yet. It is on the list. I am very much looking forward to getting into it.
Thundernerd 1:No doubt you have to you do have to pay for it, yeah. Don't you? Would be, wouldn't it? Because I what I saw them say here No. No.
Thundernerd 1:No. Well, I saw I saw this come up on my one of my algorithms recently. It's a it's a shot from the devs. Indiana Jones, Great Circle, the Order of Giants, embark on a new adventure beyond the Vatican. Discover the ancient hidden underneath the streets of Rome.
Thundernerd 1:To start the adventure, begin the a mystery begins fieldwork by visiting father Ricky near the Vatican found Fountain Of Confession. And essentially, what it was saying was you have to have gotten to a certain point of the main story, and then it will appear in your journal as fieldwork. And that made me think, is it free downloadable content that you just have to do an update for and you don't have to pay for it? I I don't know. I just assumed that that it'd be a I'll I'll look it up.
Thundernerd 1:Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones. It'll be on the It looks like
The Ice Warrior:it looks like you do need to pay for it. Okay.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. That makes sense. That makes sense. You'd have to pay for it. But then I guess still, even if you've paid for it, you can't play it until you get to the certain point of the story because it's got certain implications that must, you know, feedback off part of the of the story.
Thundernerd 1:So you have to get to a certain point and then it unlocks itself itself and and and and you you can can go go do do it. It. I have currently got Indiana Jones on the d drive, not my c drive, because I was trying to make some more room. I didn't completely remove it, like it's there on my DLC, I just need to move it into my Steam C drive so that it's as fast as possible, and and then I'm gonna play that. I am I'm so keen to get back there.
Thundernerd 1:Do you reckon they'll do any other DLCs, do you reckon this is it?
The Ice Warrior:I reckon this is it. I mean, they haven't announced anything else yet. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. That's true. That's true. No. No.
Thundernerd 1:You're probably right. Hey, did you see double o seven First Light State of Play?
The Ice Warrior:I did. It looks it looks really interesting.
Thundernerd 1:I saw a lot of people saying that they thought it looked just like, you know, 47 with hair, like like Hitman. Like a
The Ice Warrior:I mean, that's basically the idea. They're both spies. It's being made by the developers of Hitman.
Thundernerd 1:I know. But like
The Ice Warrior:What did what did anyone expect? It's what it's gonna be.
Thundernerd 1:But would we not want them to challenge themselves and like do something, you know I don't know. When I watched it okay. Here's what I thought. And I didn't watch it all, Thunder Nerds. Let me let me I'll preface that at the start.
Thundernerd 1:But I just felt like it was kind of it didn't feel Bondy to me. He when when they're driving in the car at the start, Bond and I know he's meant to be younger, but Bond is saying stuff and I'm just like, he's making quips and stuff that just do not sound like James Bond quips. One, I don't one, I'm still not sold on his look personally. Yeah. Two, he even as being younger, he just doesn't sound the voice doesn't sound like Bond, and the dialogue doesn't sound like James Bond as we know him.
Thundernerd 1:I know this is a new video game iteration of him,
The Ice Warrior:but Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:I don't know, there's something lacking with that, but everything else around it, the graphics, the mechanics, all of that looks really fucking great. And I skipped through it because I didn't wanna watch a full half an hour thing and spoil it for myself, I wanna play it.
The Ice Warrior:Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:But Yeah. There are things in there that just I don't know, man. I I hope that I can see that in the comments on like YouTube people some people like, oh, you know, he's got the quips, he's got this, like, that sounds like Bond to me, but I've got reservations about him. It's not the same when I saw the trailer, for instance, of the Great Circle, and I thought that's Indiana Jones. And I know they modeled that off Harrison Ford, and I'm not I'm not saying you have to model this off Craig or model this off, and I I applaud them for for doing like a a James Bond game version that that this guy's not based on any of the actors.
Thundernerd 1:First time they've done a video game of Bond where it's not based on any of the the actors. I like that choice. But Yeah. It just feels a bit not Bond y to me. Did did have you watched many of the Bond films or like
The Ice Warrior:Oh, yeah. Like, pretty much pretty much all of them at this point. I know I know what you mean by it's not feeling like Bond. I personally I'm not too worried about it. I mean, it does look he kinda it does look he kind of like falls into the character type of a like a Nathan Drake and Indiana Jones, you know, that kind of protagonist.
The Ice Warrior:I'm not terribly fussed by it. I would like to see because this is meant to be a very new alternate universe version of Bond. This is a very, very new Bond. This is Bond at the beginning of his career. He's in his twenties.
Thundernerd 1:He's Yeah. He's younger than we've ever seen him in
The Ice Warrior:the films. Yeah. He's very young. It is yeah. The youngest we've ever seen him be.
The Ice Warrior:You know, like, he's very untested, untried. He's not he's not double o, you know. He's very very new to the whole thing. So like, we're not gonna ex I'm not expecting him to be this suave, sophisticated man of mystery, you know? I'm not expecting him to be that.
The Ice Warrior:It would make I would think, personally, if they did that, I would enjoy it less than what I than I would enjoy it currently being what it is because it just wouldn't fit. What man in his twenties is walking around even the most skilled and sophisticated of all time, what man in his twenties is walking around doing that? You remember maybe a little like
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. That's true. Maybe so do you think this is like a and I don't think they've said anything about this, but I'm just I'm just trying to piece this together in my mind. So are we looking at it's double o seven First Light. So is this like the first of maybe two or three a two or three game series where maybe he will, by the end of it, be that older, more sophisticated, suave, smooth talking bond that we we know and love, like, we'll see that evolution, do you think?
The Ice Warrior:I mean, probably. I mean, either towards the end of this one or like, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they're planning a good trilogy. I mean, games love their fucking trilogies these days. They do. But I mean, I guess I always kinda have.
The Ice Warrior:But it wouldn't surprise me if we see I want that's kind of what I want to see though, is I want to see hints of Bond in this. The Bond that we know and love so well, and see him get molded into that. I wanna see that kind of progression because we've just never had that with Bond before, and this is a chance to do that. If that's the case, if that's what he ends up turning into, have him be as rash and quippy as he wants. Have him be as different from Bond as he wants if we see a realistic, believable, natural progression into the Bond that we know.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. No. I I I'm with you. I'm with you. If that if that happens, I will feel a lot more at ease with it, I think.
Thundernerd 1:So so let's let's move on from that. That's a good good point you've raised. Grounded to so I'm loving it.
The Ice Warrior:Same.
Thundernerd 1:Loving it. We finished the story as as much as we could do in Yeah.
The Ice Warrior:Its current. Currently.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Currently. Yeah. Don't know exactly as far as I'm aware, we don't know exactly when the the next update will be with the first major boss, the Tarantula boss. We know that it's gonna be soon, but we don't know exactly when it will be.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah.
The Ice Warrior:The next month or two, I think.
Thundernerd 1:I saw and I haven't watched it all. Well, I haven't really watched it all. I just saw that there was a PAX kind of q and a, I guess. Yeah. They talked a little bit and I love this from devs when they do this.
Thundernerd 1:I'll play I'll play a little bit of it here so you can hear it. I haven't heard this. I've just seen the the the screenshot. The screenshot reads before I press play. Comes up and it says from feedback to features, how your voice becomes the next update.
Thundernerd 1:How to share your suggestion, Discord. They want you to jump in the Discord and and throw your ideas. They're gonna start bringing this stuff in. I don't think I'm in the grounded two Discord. Community feedback prioritized by dev and community teams.
Thundernerd 1:Example, support slash healing focused archetype, that was something that was put in, it's now in development with the team. Fuck yeah. We're not just listening, we're building with you is what they say. Let's have a listen to this. Good.
Speaker 5:Taking feedback to features, how your voice becomes becomes the next update. So, you know, we take feedback and suggestions very seriously because, you know, we very much wanna build the game with all of you as long along with the dev team at at Eidos Montreal. So, yeah, as we Yvonne mentioned earlier, we we have weekly meetings. We we go over suggestions, you know, like top feedback, top bugs that players are experiencing, and really hash that out to to make sure we get all those up in a in a future update.
Thundernerd 1:That's never gonna
Speaker 5:be helpful. And then, you know, we use well, Chris, do you wanna explain, you know, a little bit about that?
Speaker 6:For sure. So, like, I think you did a really awesome job with Discord and suggestions and how we do it. Anyone can join the Discord, thumbs up the little rules saying you know it, and then you're free to make suggestions. And then when your fellow community members vote on it, we will present it to Yvonne, Miles, the rest of the team there. And then it goes through a whole process.
Speaker 6:Like, sometimes it's like, oh yeah, we should totally do that. Maybe, or not quite yet, and things like that. And it's really cool to see all of the awesome ideas that everybody comes up with because some things obviously were like, oh, yeah. We kinda thought about that, but then others completely not. And I think those are the kind of things that where we really are building it with you and it kind of just enriches the game in general.
Thundernerd 1:I love that. I love that Yeah. Like Yeah. They're just going, oh, even if this wasn't part of our road map or ideas, if something stands out so much and people are resonating with it so much and they agree with it, they're going, how do we get that in the game? That's Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:So sick. Like and we've got do you is it is it three or four or more areas that they're gonna unlock, do you think? Like, how how is it can we see on the map as it is now? I think it's all just blacked out, but it doesn't show it broken down to how much will be, like, will it be
The Ice Warrior:It'll be a lot. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be a lot. I'm excited And for it's good to see, like I'll touch on this a little bit later as well.
The Ice Warrior:Mhmm. It's good to see these kind of smaller studios really putting focus on player feedback and what players actually really wanna do, what they want out of their game. Like, it's the players that are driving the development for the developers. With, like, case in point, the support class that you were mentioning before, they're probably never gonna do that if they had like, if they just went off on their own development cycle. But because they're listening to players and giving the players what they want out of the game that they're playing and paying for, the game's gonna be more successful as a result, you know.
The Ice Warrior:That is what we wanna see in the games industry, and that's how it's going to get back to being an industry that people can trust if development, you know, focuses in on player experience more than just general profit or, you know, whatever else they
Thundernerd 1:wanna do. I think that, like, playing through the game, seeing how big the map is now, the biomes, the possibility of what they're gonna add, the buggies, like, the buggies that we'll get over time. It feels like to me where they've majorly improved with grounded two is how they're setting this up to be something that people are gonna wanna come back to and play frequently before it enters full access or do you know what I'm saying? Like Yeah. With Grounded One, we know that the story wasn't maybe like, when it fully released and we got to play the rest of the story, we kinda got through it pretty fast.
Thundernerd 1:The fact that they're going, we've added way more story now. We don't know how much that is until we play the whole thing, I suppose, but we can go off what they've said. I like because before you had the whole map, but now it's like going into early access, and I came in late to Grounded, so maybe there was things that you couldn't do before. Maybe the maybe like
The Ice Warrior:Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:In early access, you didn't get gas masks straight away and you couldn't go to the the area that like was like had the poison or whatever. Maybe that was locked off until you got but here, it's like we've got whole areas that are just nonexistent. The map is as big as the first one on release right now, and that's just the starting zone. And we're gonna get brand new biomes locations so sick. Like and it's gonna make this game because I guess they've got to think about it from a because it's a crafting game, they have to compete with things like rust.
Thundernerd 1:They have to compete with other crafting survival games and go, how do we keep ourselves competitive enough that people keep coming back to play this? So sick. Such a good
The Ice Warrior:I think they're doing a great job of it too. I mean, Russ Russ is a really good example. And Russ has kinda started to go down that kind of line of player feedback as well. Because they're introducing some things like their new hardcore mode, their primitive mode, like adding new game modes that people have been kind of wanting, adding in new features and stuff, and giving players the ability to kind of do that kind of thing. But also, and this is one thing I fucking love about Rust is it's just continuous support for community service.
The Ice Warrior:Allowing people to create whatever version of Rust they want. You want a two times, three times, five times, 1,000,000 times gathering rate server, you have that. You want a server that lets you play the most hardcore version of Rust to the point where it's a completely different game, you've got that. You want a guy you want a version of Rust that is basically them just trying to get to as close to Ruinscape as you possibly can, including hint markers and all that. You've got that.
The Ice Warrior:And that's exactly what Rust needed to do and what it needs to keep supporting. The moment it stops, it's gone. Rust is dead. It will not be salvageable if they stop support, the community service, and it's constant stream of innovation. And and Grander's gonna be like that.
Thundernerd 1:With Rust, so they've got like so they've got a map, but the POIs change location on each map they randomly generate. Right? Is when was Rust released? How long has it been out for now?
The Ice Warrior:Rust has been out for a long time, like we're talking
Thundernerd 1:Is it the most successful survival? Like I
The Ice Warrior:think it might be. I I genuinely think it might be. Give me give me a second, and I'll see if I can find out exactly when. Ninth? No.
The Ice Warrior:02/09/2018 it says. That's not right. It's been out longer than that. Maybe maybe maybe it's been little bit after this.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. 100%. Because I feel
Thundernerd 1:like it's been out for ages.
The Ice Warrior:It's been out for it's been out for a while.
Thundernerd 1:When did it release early access? I'd love to know that. It's a great game though. Great game.
The Ice Warrior:Okay. It first released in early access in December 2013.
Thundernerd 1:That sounds more like what I was saying. I was sure that it's been out for like
The Ice Warrior:ten years. It's almost twelve years old.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. That's crazy. And it's still Leon's Yeah. Great game though. Like such a good game.
Thundernerd 1:Do you have any gaming news for us?
The Ice Warrior:I have some pretty big gaming news. So
Thundernerd 1:Are
Thundernerd 1:you serious?
The Ice Warrior:We've spoken a little bit about this just on a personal basis. A game called Hollow Knight.
Thundernerd 1:Yes.
The Ice Warrior:I've recommended it to you. I've recommended you pick it up.
Thundernerd 1:Yes.
The Ice Warrior:Hollow Knight is developed solely by Team Cherry. Team Cherry, the developers and publishers of the game, based in South Australia. They are a three person main development team based out of Adelaide, South Australia.
Thundernerd 1:And give the context a context of what Hollow Knight is.
The Ice Warrior:So Hollow Knight is a Metroidvania two d platformer that basically has you roaming around this ancient forgotten kingdom of bugs effect effectively. And you play as the Hollow Knight who is exploring the kingdom. He's doing some things. He's fighting some bugs. Very good game.
The Ice Warrior:It's beautifully made. It's all like it's all handcrafted animation. The music is award winning orchestral background music. It's absolutely fantastic. The game itself is just so beloved to the point where when they released their sequel Silksong, it crashed Steam, the Nintendo eShop, Microsoft, and Xbox.
Thundernerd 1:When was this?
The Ice Warrior:Gone. Literally yesterday. It crashed Steam. It crashed Steam. It was it's one of the only games to have been able to do it.
Thundernerd 1:So so how
The Ice Warrior:how how does what does that mean?
Thundernerd 1:Does that mean you can't play Steam games?
The Ice Warrior:No. No. No. You can still play it. Like, it it crashed it for a short period of time And then in order to be able to buy the game.
The Ice Warrior:No one could buy the game unless everyone was trying to buy the game, and it wouldn't allow them to buy the game because it had just overloaded the servers.
Thundernerd 1:My god.
The Ice Warrior:So it's so that's so that's as hype as the release was. Peak It's beautiful. Peak concurrent players oh, it is absolutely stunning. Like, peak concurrent player players for Silksong, the sequel, over 560,000.
Thundernerd 1:Was the peak concurrent player rate? Within the
The Ice Warrior:space of, I think it was like two hours, two or three hours after release. Holy shit. That's crazy. It had a 100 within thirty minutes of the release, it had just over a 100,000 players. And that is only because Yeah.
The Ice Warrior:Steam crashed. It would have been higher.
Thundernerd 1:And that is not even taking place already. Already. Total reviews in all languages thus far, 60,371, which is a lot for people actually leaving. Think about how many people don't leave reviews. Mhmm.
Thundernerd 1:60,000 reviews so far, very positive. English reviews thus far, 94% of 25,000 have voted very positive.
The Ice Warrior:It is a really good game. Have you played it? It is made primarily again, I haven't played the sequel yet. I'm picking it up next week.
Thundernerd 1:Yep. Yep.
The Ice Warrior:But I'm I'm pumped. It's again, it's made by primarily a three man team in Adelaide, South Australia, and it has done far better than triple a multi billion dollar companies all across the world. I mean, that and then what
Thundernerd 1:so are they splitting it between
The Ice Warrior:$30.
Thundernerd 1:It's $30.
The Ice Warrior:30 Australian dollars.
Thundernerd 1:$30.
Thundernerd 1:It is fucking nothing. That's very affordable price. Do we how long is the story? Oh
The Ice Warrior:my god.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Like, whatever.
The Ice Warrior:And they refuse they refuse to increase the price.
Thundernerd 1:Do do so how long is the story? Do we know?
The Ice Warrior:Probably about as big as as big as Hollow Knight is, if not
Thundernerd 1:And how how how long is
The Ice Warrior:that roughly? Oh, that's a good question actually.
Thundernerd 1:Because if it's indie made, it's like maybe they're going for quality over quantity of, you know, hours because it takes more time to make it. Like, what's the what's the rough game time
The Ice Warrior:of getting it? Story wise is around twenty seven hours for main story completion.
Thundernerd 1:Shit. That's pretty good.
The Ice Warrior:But around sixty five to eighty hours for a full 100%. And if you were to do just just of Hollow Knight, not of Silksong Mhmm. Because we haven't worked that out yet because Yep. Yep. We don't know yet.
Thundernerd 1:Don't
The Ice Warrior:know. To get a 100% in Silksong or a 112% technically, people consider it that particular challenge harder than 100% ing a Souls game.
Thundernerd 1:Wow.
The Ice Warrior:Like Dark Souls, Dark Souls two.
Thundernerd 1:That's unbelievable, isn't it? Like, I'm gonna have to I mean, yeah, you've told me about it. I've got I've had the first one on my wish list for like, ever now. I just need to pick it up. I don't know what what it's going for with cost.
Thundernerd 1:Maybe it's on a special because the new one's out. I'll have to have a look. But
The Ice Warrior:I don't think it's that much.
Thundernerd 1:It might be the next game that I pick up.
The Ice Warrior:Very highly recommend
Thundernerd 1:I'm not gonna play the manners order, I'll play the first. So yeah.
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. Yeah. So the holiday night first one's only $22.
Thundernerd 1:Still so affordable, isn't it? Yeah. Okay.
The Ice Warrior:It's incredibly so, man. Like, I I cannot sing its praises enough. Yeah. I mean, again, these are Australian developers. Yeah.
The Ice Warrior:They're Australian developers. Like, Australian homegrown Can
Thundernerd 1:imagine how much of a fucking killing they'd be making if they re if they're splitting that between the three of them. Are they just like great? Like, how did they how would are they just genius coders? Or how are they making this?
The Ice Warrior:Like Well, like, it's not as if they're they're not entirely working on their own. I mean, do like contract some work out Primarily, it's the three of them.
Thundernerd 1:Mhmm. Mhmm. Fuck. That's crazy. So they just pay a contractor for some work where they go, oh, these accounts are this or this, and then they're making a fuckload of they must be making a killing.
The Ice Warrior:Oh, absolutely so. Like Silksong would be just yeah.
Thundernerd 1:About this.
The Ice Warrior:Think about this. Such a stable game too. It's like, ugh.
Thundernerd 1:So you said that it it peaked with concurrent 500,000 players?
The Ice Warrior:Five over 560,000 on Steam alone.
Thundernerd 1:What's 30 times that? Let's just play a game of, like, just saying, you know, imagine that they're all on different accounts because it's happening concurrently. Right? So everyone's purchased it.
The Ice Warrior:Let's say let's say, like and and Xbox, I mean, there hasn't been as many sales on Xbox because Xbox has Game Pass. Mhmm. So Steam. It's Steam.
Thundernerd 1:So what?
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. That's just Steam. Just Steam on its own. Let's say 4,000,000 concurrent players. Let's let's say four to maybe maybe let's say 5,000,000.
Thundernerd 1:Because there's a lot of players that are on console. Right? So heaps of players. Times 30.
The Ice Warrior:That's that's a cool 150 mil?
Thundernerd 1:Fuck me.
Thundernerd 1:That's kinda crazy, isn't it? Just like off Yeah. And splitting that between years. Oh my god. For the most part Mostly.
Thundernerd 1:And then paying off your contractors. Oh my god.
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. I mean, you're you're still walking away with a fucking You're walking away with
Thundernerd 1:some with a dime. With a dime. Okay. Let's let's move on from that. Do you have any other gaming news for us?
The Ice Warrior:Nothing nothing too much at the moment. That was that was the big one.
Thundernerd 1:That was big one because of where they're Check that out, Thunder Nerds. Check that out. That's stuff I've that's gone shot up right to the top of my list, will be the next game I purchase. I declare it here on the podcast. Shall we move on?
Thundernerd 1:We shall. Okay. Let's do it. Let's get into a new segment that I was meant to open with, but forgot to open with this. So let's do it the other way around.
Thundernerd 1:Okay? And I'm putting you on the spot with this one, but let's just get into it.
The Ice Warrior:It. Something on my brain. Something never gentle on my mind.
Thundernerd 1:Gentle on my mind. Wanna talk about here something that's been on your mind during the last week.
The Ice Warrior:You gotta you gotta preview me these jiggles, man. I'm telling you. You really gotta gotta warn me when they're covered.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. You're not getting any previewing. So so I want I want something from you. Now, look, know I'm putting you on the spot here. I've already got something.
Thundernerd 1:So if you want me to start, I'm happy to. If you can't think of anything, all good. This segment might not even be here every week. It's just something where if you've got something on your mind, it's been it's been, you know, it doesn't have to be filming, gaming, or anything actually. It can be whatever you want.
Thundernerd 1:Something that's just been ticking you off and you go, I gotta get that off my chest. Or maybe it's it's something like I don't know. It could be anything. I'll tell you what I've been skewing on over the last week. And then, you know, if you've got anything, feel free to to jump in.
Thundernerd 1:I'm labeling this one the AI on a system. Now this is where I'm going with this. Now I've been thinking about, like, how we are using AI in our day to day kind of lives lately. And the thing is right, like, I'm and I'm talking generative AI. So I'm not talking about the fucking AI in your washing machine that helps you know what load to put on next.
Thundernerd 1:I'm not talking about the AI that, you know, your fucking TV uses. I'm talking about the generative AI that we're using like your chat GBTs and whatnot. Because it feels like maybe not for everyone, and I I use it a bit. Use it I'll I'll tell you how I use it, and I wanna know how you use it. I use it to if I if I'm going, oh, okay.
Thundernerd 1:I wanna quickly get me an answer on this thing that I've I I want a summation on something, or I want you to capture some information. I know that I'm not gonna get it that that it might not be perfect, and I'm I'm going into it with that that I might have to fact check some stuff or be just just aware that it's not gonna be exactly perfect every time. But I'm using it to just capture some information that I want. I'm not I I feel like some people are applying empathy to their to their AI. They're they're saying, please, thank you.
Thundernerd 1:I can tell you I'm not doing any of that. I I'm not saying, you know, thanks for that, thanks for that one. I'm saying what I need it to do and but I but I do feel that thing of going, am I becoming too reliant on this? Am I? I'm not sure.
Thundernerd 1:Like and am I starting because I I feel like it's getting to the point where some of us are starting to use it like we use Google search. Like it like that comment. Like the you think to go to ChatGPT before you think to just fact check it yourself. Where was before we had to obviously go to Google, type it in, look up some websites, I know that's not what I'm looking for. Let me try this one.
Thundernerd 1:Let me try this. Here's where I'm getting out with this. When does this become so embedded in our, like, day to day routine, our muscle memory that you have people, creators, filmmakers, and all that start to go, okay, I'll just let me just use oh, I mean, fuck. I've got a bit of writer's block about this scene that I'm writing. Let me just ask ChatGeeBT to to to just get me out of this corner.
Thundernerd 1:Oh, okay. Cool. Okay. And then maybe you'll think of something and go, oh, hang on.
The Ice Warrior:No. That's shit. That's shit.
Thundernerd 1:But I've something way better. And you've used it to prompt you into to to just prompt a spark an idea. What I'm getting at on social media at the moment, I've noticed they've added and I don't know if you've seen this, like, I saw I saw it on Instagram the other day and I can't unnoticed it now, but they've got this thing where it'll have a badge to be like, you know, please if you it's actually even when you're uploading something. It'll be like, please, if you're using AI, note as you as you press the the post button before that, please like press this to say you've used AI. And the idea is that, you know, if you see a post, you can see that someone's used AI in that post.
Thundernerd 1:Now you don't have to use it. It's it seems to me that it's anonymous system that they're going like, please if you are using it, press this button. But they're not I don't know. I haven't seen anyone get reprimanded as far as I know for this not using it. It's just saying please if you are, just so people know that that's AI, that thing you posted.
Thundernerd 1:Now what about filmmaking? What if we're at the cinema in in the in the coming years and we're seeing something going, god, this sounds a lot like ChatGPT. Like, how are we monitoring this in the filmmaking industry and that in the arts industry? How are we monitoring it so that we can absolutely certify that something hasn't used this other thing? Whether it be to just spark an idea and get yourself out of a corner, maybe just sharpen up a bit of dialogue.
Thundernerd 1:How are we doing that? Thoughts? It's been on my mind. The AI on a system, are we relying on just an honest system? Hey, I'm telling you why I didn't use it.
Thundernerd 1:I didn't press the button. I didn't I didn't it's not on the poster. Like, are they gonna start adding something where it's like but how do you regulate it? If if you're a writer, if you're if you're on god forbid, like, if you're writing the next Batman film and you're stuck, and then the director goes, oh, let me just I'm just I've gotta I've gotta make a deadline. Let me just throw this in.
Thundernerd 1:No one's gonna know. Just throw this idea in. Are all these are all these ChatGPT forums that we're opening up, are they are they getting saved somewhere and stored somewhere and people can bring them back up and look at them on the chat GPTN, like, how are these used? Any ideas? What what what's your thoughts on all this?
Thundernerd 1:Do you know what I mean?
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. No. No. No. A 100% agree.
The Ice Warrior:I mean, it's it's something that we were not prepared for as a society for AI to just come in and just explode the way it has. Yep. We're only a couple of years off really having it be as integrated into our lives as smartphones, And the same kinds of fears with computers and with phones and with social media and everything else that we've had when they first came in are the same kind of fears that we're having with AI, just tailored to AI itself. Mhmm. I think we I mean, there's definitely needs to be safeguards in place.
The Ice Warrior:Those safeguards are easier to put in place than you'd think. There's a lot of ways to prevent AI usage on machines. So you can block certain websites and certain programs from being used on a particular computer. It might come it might have to get to the point
Thundernerd 1:where So a writer are you are you saying that a writer is sitting down writing and they've got to use a computer that's prohibited to use any sort of AI? Is that what you're saying?
The Ice Warrior:Pretty much. Yeah. I think that's what we'd have to get to. Or if they have like personal devices and things like that, they would have to be basically, have some level of oversight on them. So But who?
Thundernerd 1:Who's got the oversight? Is it the is it the It'd
The Ice Warrior:be it'd have to be the film company. It'd have to be
Thundernerd 1:the The distributor? The the the like, if I'm writing a film that's that's gonna be a twentieth century fox film, the twentieth century fox going, you must use this device. What where does Yeah. I don't know. Does that take away the freedom of like someone going home and riding and just churning it away and punching out some ciggies and like like, is that is that going you must be in this room on this device monitored?
Thundernerd 1:It's something something
The Ice Warrior:Can you think of another way to do it?
Thundernerd 1:Look, I don't know, but it's certainly something we have to think about, like, a as a collective Because we can't just say this. Here's what we can't do. We can't just go, well, I guess we'll just never know now if it's AI or not. Like, it's it's gray. It's it's it's a bit gray.
Thundernerd 1:I guess that's it. Like, we can't do that. We have to come up with something to go
The Ice Warrior:God, no.
Thundernerd 1:There's nothing wrong with using AI in a certain way, but when it comes to film and that kind of stuff, there's an integrity about making something yourself with your hands Yeah. Crafting it. So how do we get to the point where we ensure that there are ones that you go, this was definitely this did use it and and here's how it used it. It used it to enhance this special effect. It used it to enhance voice or whatever it is modulation.
Thundernerd 1:It didn't it used it for a piece of the writing even if it if it really gets to that, God forbid, stage. And and then a separate one for none was used in the making of this film. None. Yeah. Or if it was, here's what it is, and you can see that it's none of the key things.
Thundernerd 1:No actors were AI, no writing was AI, no music or anything. It was used to punch up a a visual effect of I I don't even know what I'm
The Ice Warrior:trying to get at with that,
Thundernerd 1:but do you understand what I'm saying? I still think it should be all
The Ice Warrior:done for
Thundernerd 1:for real, but anyway, that's just so that's that's what I've been thinking about. Is there anything that you have had on your mind? No pressure if you haven't, because I I did throw you on the spot.
The Ice Warrior:No. Actually, I do, and it's something that I'm I'm quite concerned about, and a lot of people don't seem to be, and I'm very concerned that they aren't. It's the social media ban in Australia primarily, but also there's other similar bans kind of happening across the across the world with The UK being a prime example. They're basically making it so anyone under the age of 16 does not have access to social media. And they to do that, in order to do that, and this is the thing I have the problem Okay.
The Ice Warrior:It would require basically everyone in Australia to sign up to an age verification service that would have us we would have to give over our own identification in order to be able to use the internet. It's not just banning social media. It is saying, if you don't get your age certified through this third party, mind you, third party, not run by the government, third party third party American based AI identification system
Thundernerd 1:Is that what it is?
The Ice Warrior:Then yeah. Then you are not less using the internet.
Thundernerd 1:Other than your age, what what other details is it asking for?
The Ice Warrior:Like, it's it's it's asking for ID. So you're like going to get driver's license, like, best certificate possible, that kind of thing. Yeah. And and It's not because it's not gonna be run by the government. It's not run by
Thundernerd 1:the government. So it's a third party separate from the government and it's and it's an American AI system?
The Ice Warrior:From sorry. I should clarify. That's what it currently is. They haven't as far as I'm aware, they haven't settled on who exactly is gonna run it or how exactly they're gonna run it, but they're taking the lead from or current there's there's been some current talks that they're gonna take the lead from from the British because that's the system that they're currently having to deal with or that's just about to put into their system, something something along those lines. Mhmm.
The Ice Warrior:That's concerning. And it's very concerning. Yeah. So because because Worry about that.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Because look, I do agree that we need to be smart about how we how, you know, the kids coming through use social media and all that. I I've actually had a massive problem with like because that's not something that I grew up with in school. That's not something we grew up with. We didn't grow up with that problem.
Thundernerd 1:And as we Because it
The Ice Warrior:was in its infancy. Exactly. Was in its infancy. Was safer back then.
Thundernerd 1:It was like, you know, here's Facebook, here's this. My problem is that like, you're always seeing on something like Instagram especially, you're always seeing like a highlight reel on stories of the peep of the good parts of someone's life, you're not seeing the other stuff, and people stew on things and they look at stories and they go, oh my god, I'm comparing myself to that person, that person's doing so good, and they they become resentful and all that. Like, how do we get out the the kids of today to be like resilient enough for what they're gonna come into with social media? That's the danger of it, and it was never regulated. We grew up with it, and Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:I feel like it's had ramifications on people, but it's stuff that because it was in its infancy, like you say, we haven't been prepared for it. And and so we we we we grow up with them, we go, oh my god, it's having all these effects on us. But we so I think it's it's a good thing to regulate it for younger people, but how do we yeah. That's that's really interesting. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:That's concerning.
The Ice Warrior:So I mean, that's like
Thundernerd 1:That's been on your mind. I've yeah. I've saw something It's been
The Ice Warrior:on my mind a lot like it's it's there are people already losing their mind and like for example When is this expected to go off?
Thundernerd 1:Like, when when is this all happening?
The Ice Warrior:I don't think I don't think they have a date set out for it yet, but it's still something that it's still like being talked about. Obviously concerns
Thundernerd 1:with this.
The Ice Warrior:And this yeah. I mean, to
Thundernerd 1:be able
The Ice Warrior:to, you know, just jump on and play games. Oh my god. Yeah. Like, god forbid there's a god forbid there's a data leak.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. That that that's what that's what you wanna know. You wanna know where this is going. You want it to be open and transparent. You wanna know what they've got in place in their risk assessments to know how it's going to be Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Stored, safe, and integral, and so they're massive massive concerns. That's a great call out. Anything else or should we should we move on? Great call out though. Move on.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Let's get on. We've got a new another new segment here. I've come up with a few segments. Oh, no.
The Ice Warrior:Oh, no.
Thundernerd 1:So which tell me this tell me this. You be the judge. Actually, no. No. No.
Thundernerd 1:I'm gonna I'm I'm going to to lay down the law with you here.
The Ice Warrior:Oh, okay.
Thundernerd 1:I'm gonna lay down the law with you. We're jumping into this one.
Thundernerd 1:Enough chitchat. It's time to put your knowledge to the test with the shortlist shortlist shortlist. Echo continues echo continues.
Thundernerd 1:Welcome to the shortlist.
The Ice Warrior:Jesus Christ. Every time.
Thundernerd 1:Now, we've played this before
The Ice Warrior:Okay.
Thundernerd 1:Where I guessed the top 10
The Ice Warrior:of
Thundernerd 1:Right. The New York Times best films of what was it? The the twentieth the twenty first century?
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. Best of the 20 century. Yeah. Top 100 films.
Thundernerd 1:Top 100 films. So this is the shortlist. Now you sent me a list. You haven't looked at this. You promised?
Thundernerd 1:Mhmm. You promised me you hadn't looked at this. Sure. You're a massive No.
The Ice Warrior:You mother No. Would have it. Would
Thundernerd 1:have it. So you're a massive anime fan. Now Yes. Very much so. I'm not really an anime fan, but you sent me a list and you said, hey, top 100 anime of the twenty first century, let's see if you could get it.
Thundernerd 1:Now I had a look at the list that you sent through Mhmm. And I'm more than happy to to go through this and see what you can get. Now the shortlist, I think a hundred's too easy. I think we need to narrow that down. Now top ten's pretty difficult, I feel.
Thundernerd 1:Like that was that was I'm not gonna
The Ice Warrior:get I'm not gonna get top 10. I can almost guarantee that.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. I feel like I gave myself way too, like, that was it. I I can't believe what I came out with from that list of films, but for anime, that's gonna be hard, I think. Unless you're so well versed in it that you can go, okay, I
The Ice Warrior:can do it. I'd I'd I'd probably get a good majority of the top 10. I know I'm not gonna be get with with rules as we stated, I'd there's no way I'd be able to get every single one of the top 10. Yeah. It just wouldn't happen.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Let's do this. You've got three wrong guesses. So three lots. Okay.
Thundernerd 1:Same as what we did with mine now. Yep. How do we limit this? Do we go top 100, too easy, top 50? Any you've got a name 10 in the top 50 with three Yeah.
The Ice Warrior:We can do that. We can we can always kind of extend that out a little bit too if we need to, like maybe 15 or 20 in the top 50 if it ends up being too easy. Mhmm. See what happens.
Thundernerd 1:Now I must stipulate that Oh, looking at the list, this is of all time, not the twenty first century.
Thundernerd 1:Mhmm. I couldn't
The Ice Warrior:find a twenty first century list.
Thundernerd 1:Right. Your message said twenty first century. I just wanted to clarify in case you weren't aware, but this is all time. So can you guess? Is do we think fifties is that easy?
Thundernerd 1:Like, how I need you to be the gauge here. I need you to gauge for yourself because wait and let me clarify this. So this person here, this is on Reddit. They've compiled a list of the most praised, most respected anime series of all time, and they've done it via, it seems, using 57 different lists from different websites, and they must have been doing the averages, and then they've gone, here's what the list is. The average best is this, the average number two is this.
Thundernerd 1:That's how they seem to have done it. This is twenty twenty two. You've got to keep that in mind. This is a this is a few years ago, the list you've sent me. Two years ago now.
Thundernerd 1:Or longer than that, sorry. But 2022 update is how they've done it. So I think they had this updated recently. So let's let's let's get into this one. How do we do it?
Thundernerd 1:Are we doing top 50? Do you think your your your knowledge is good enough that you could go for top 30 or 20? What are we thinking? You got 10 to get? 10 right ones to get?
The Ice Warrior:10 right ones to get.
Thundernerd 1:And I need you to keep score if you can of the right and the wrong, and I will do the rest on this end.
The Ice Warrior:Alright. Let's let's attempt 30. Let's attempt top 30.
Thundernerd 1:Top 30. 10 from the top 30. That's all we need. You've got three lives. As you get one right or wrong, I'll count the wrongs on my hand, I suppose.
Thundernerd 1:You can could you just tick off if you're getting them somewhere for me? You tick them off Yep. If you get them right.
The Ice Warrior:Yep. If you can if you can tell me the number as well.
Thundernerd 1:I can tell you the number as I say it if you'd like. Yeah. Because I think you did that for me. Okay. Are you ready for this?
Thundernerd 1:Yep.
Thundernerd 1:Here we go. First attempt.
The Ice Warrior:Alright. I mean, I really do wanna be saying one of the Dragon Ball series, but I'm not sure if it'll be in there. I'm gonna go ahead and say
Thundernerd 1:Will it be named with Dragon Ball, like, at the start so that I know? Or will it just have like
The Ice Warrior:a Yeah. It'll it'll be Dragon Ball it'll either be Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z. Gotcha. Gotcha. It won't be
Thundernerd 1:And then it'll be like like colon something to to let you know that that it's a Dragon Ball or whatever. Is that what it'll be?
The Ice Warrior:No. It'll just say Dragon Ball z.
Thundernerd 1:Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. First guess.
The Ice Warrior:Well, Dragon Ball z. Make that my first guess. Why not?
Thundernerd 1:Okay.
The Ice Warrior:It's got to be on the list. It's got to be the top 30, surely.
Thundernerd 1:Okay.
Thundernerd 1:I'm looking, Thunder Nerds. I'm looking.
The Ice Warrior:I'm actually sure if this is series or also including movies.
Thundernerd 1:Actually, let me let me quickly let me quickly try and preface that. Different one. What was the list? I believe it's series. I believe it's series as well.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. I'm pretty sure because I saw something that made me think that. Okay. All good. Here we go.
Thundernerd 1:Here we go. I'm looking now. It's gotta be that.
The Ice Warrior:Gotta be that. Okay.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Are you ready?
Thundernerd 1:Yeah.
The Ice Warrior:You've gotta be kidding me. It is not in the top 30.
Thundernerd 1:Not in the top 30. Not in
The Ice Warrior:the top 30. Bullshit. It's not in the top 30. Oh my god. What the price?
Thundernerd 1:Okay. That's one life. I I write that down. Okay. Shit.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. This is Christ. Okay.
The Ice Warrior:Fine. Fine. Alright.
Thundernerd 1:I got
The Ice Warrior:the I got the favorite out of way. Cowboy Bebop. Okay. Cowboy Bebop's gotta be on that list. It's gotta be on that list.
The Ice Warrior:Oh, fuck. Number two. Good. Oh, damn. Okay.
Thundernerd 1:Number two. Here he goes, ladies and gentlemen. So he's got his favorite out of the way, and he's gone for that. Okay. That's one right, two lives left, one correct thus far, nine to go.
Thundernerd 1:Talking top 30 here, Thundernets.
The Ice Warrior:Okay. So you need to
Thundernerd 1:be smart about this, don't you? Because that that's what I needed to do in the New York Times. You have to think, like, strategically about what
Thundernerd 1:okay. Okay. Here we go.
Thundernerd 1:This is good shit.
The Ice Warrior:Dear god. I mean, it's so popular though, isn't it? Naruto. Surely, that's in top 30. It's gotta be in top 30.
Thundernerd 1:Is that just what it's called, Naruto?
The Ice Warrior:Naruto. Yeah. There is a n r u n a r u t o. Okay. There is a like sequel to it called Shippuden that's kind of it's the same show.
The Ice Warrior:Some people kind of differentiate between the two because it's a bit of a time skip.
Thundernerd 1:Mhmm. Mhmm.
The Ice Warrior:It's yeah. It's basically it.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. I've reviewed over. I've reviewed over. I've reviewed the top 30. Fuck off.
The Ice Warrior:It's not. It's so popular. What do you mean? I'm failing this. Oh.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. You've got one life. You need to be so smart. You've got 90 popular
The Ice Warrior:series ever. What's a feat. Twenty twenty two.
Thundernerd 1:2022. Remember that.
The Ice Warrior:Still, like, Jesus. There's so
Thundernerd 1:many anime though. Okay. Okay. Okay.
The Ice Warrior:I know. Okay. Oh, god. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Like, is is that a really hard hit? I know
The Ice Warrior:it was in big three. Is that it? Yes. It's huge. Okay.
The Ice Warrior:I'm going to go for the second member of the big three here.
Thundernerd 1:I'll see if
The Ice Warrior:I can find it. It's gotta be up there.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. By the way, I found Dragon Ball. Can I tell you where that is?
The Ice Warrior:Where? 63. 63 fucking bullshit. 63.
Thundernerd 1:I'm looking for I'm looking for Naruto on here. I don't think it's made the top 100.
The Ice Warrior:It's not in the top 100. One of the members of
Thundernerd 1:Dragon the Ball Z is that that's on here '92.
The Ice Warrior:Okay. Okay. Okay.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. So if I see Naruto, I'll let you know. Okay. So you've got you've got one life left.
The Ice Warrior:He's got one life. I've failed this miserably.
Thundernerd 1:This I just think that maybe this is difficult in the sense that, like, it's an average that someone's put together, you know what I mean? But anyway okay. But it's off 57 lists. So okay. Okay.
Thundernerd 1:Here we go. Next. What's your next guess?
The Ice Warrior:Oh. Oh. I thought you got called it before. It's One Piece. The second member of the big three, it has to be there.
The Ice Warrior:Okay. It's so oh, god. I mean, we are thinking top 30. But even, like, I mean, it's so popular. It's still going.
The Ice Warrior:It's still Okay. Refreshed. The Crunchyroll website, like, Okay. It's gotta be up there.
Thundernerd 1:I've reviewed. I've reviewed.
The Ice Warrior:It's not gonna be there. It's not gonna fucking be in the top 30, is it? I've reviewed. Swear to god, if it's the if if if it's not there in Akira, I'm gonna lose it. I just thought of the other one.
The Ice Warrior:I just thought of other one it's gonna be. No one that's gonna be out there.
Thundernerd 1:I'm actually a bit confused because this list has two Thunder Nerds, just so you know. It has like a rank and then an old rank. So I'm going off the left because I think that's the rank and then there's I think
The Ice Warrior:think yeah. Because I think old rank is where it used to sit. Because
Thundernerd 1:I think
The Ice Warrior:the guy that I found, he's done this before in the past.
Thundernerd 1:I'm going off the list where it says rank. Yeah. Not I'm not going off the old one.
The Ice Warrior:Yep. Yep. Yep.
Thundernerd 1:So maybe I'll let you know where the old Dragon Ball is just quickly. The old the Dragon Ball before set at 48 and moved down to 63. So it was in the top 50. Yeah. And Dragon Ball Z sat at a 102 and moved its way up into 92.
Thundernerd 1:So that was actually there. Okay. Yeah. So it was one piece. Yeah?
The Ice Warrior:One Piece has gotta be there. You're kidding me. Two members of the big three aren't on the fucking list?
Thundernerd 1:Thunderbirds, it's done. It's done.
The Ice Warrior:Already, that is horseshit. No.
Thundernerd 1:Can we get
The Ice Warrior:Drag Ball Z being so low on the list, it was in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. Name another anime that's done that. Sorry. Like
Thundernerd 1:It's One
The Ice Warrior:Piece. One Piece is can I tell
Thundernerd 1:you where it's on the list? Okay. One Piece is let
The Ice Warrior:me tell you where it is.
Thundernerd 1:It was at 59 and it moved down to 61 on this I
The Ice Warrior:should've just gone for the whole list. I should've just gone for the whole fucking list instead of the top 30 or some greedy.
Thundernerd 1:I think I think I've been Can I can I ask you where Yeah?
The Ice Warrior:My my next guess was gonna be Neon Genesis Evangelion.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Let me tell you where that was. Number one.
The Ice Warrior:Fucking bullshit. Bullshit. It was number one. Talk about the nostalgia from the fucking nineties. My god.
The Ice Warrior:Oh my god.
Thundernerd 1:It's it's nineties nostalgia. 100% of these. They've top two are in the nineties.
The Ice Warrior:Oh, that that is so painful.
Thundernerd 1:And that and that retainer is bringing anywhere
The Ice Warrior:on that list is whole shit.
Thundernerd 1:Cowboy. Cowboy and Neon both retained two and one from the last time they were ranked.
The Ice Warrior:Fucking and that's
Thundernerd 1:Wow. That's huge. That's huge.
The Ice Warrior:That's I'm I'm so upset. That is really infuriating. Like, the beat like, two members of the well, one member at least of the Big three potentially not being on there. Was Bleach on there at all? Surely not.
Thundernerd 1:Was Bleach on there?
The Ice Warrior:Tell you.
Thundernerd 1:I'll tell I'll you. I'll tell you.
The Ice Warrior:Lose it. Lose it if it's on there because it's not anywhere near as popular.
Thundernerd 1:No. It's not in the top 30 at least.
The Ice Warrior:I don't think it's gonna be on this list at all, to be honest, but
Thundernerd 1:I'm not seeing it here. No. I'm not seeing it here.
The Ice Warrior:No. Naruto not being on there is criminal.
Thundernerd 1:I'll tell you what is in the the Criminal. What what are some other ones? Just give me some others. Fuck.
The Ice Warrior:Oh, I'm blown out by this now. That's that's ruined my entire day. That's crazy. That's crazy.
Thundernerd 1:That's I'll tell
The Ice Warrior:you That what is is insane to me. Is Akira on there? Surely not. Akira can't be on there.
Thundernerd 1:Akira, is it?
The Ice Warrior:Akira, a k I r a.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Hang on. I'll find it. I'll find it. I'll see if
The Ice Warrior:it's I think Kira's gonna be on there. Surely not. Because it's
Thundernerd 1:Oh, man. That was something
The Ice Warrior:If it's that, it's also including movies.
Thundernerd 1:Well, I'll tell you what I can see on here. No. Akira's not on here. I I I'll tell you what I do see at number, which makes me think movies is included unless I'm mistaken. 21 down one spot from 20 Death Note 02/2006.
The Ice Warrior:Death Note? No. There's there's there's series. Death Note's so high up there is
Thundernerd 1:Yeah.
The Ice Warrior:Interesting. Yep. I don't think these lists are done by critically acclaimed people, that's for sure. Well, it's
Thundernerd 1:an average list. Right? So maybe we need
The Ice Warrior:like It's an average list, but like, Jesus Christ. Death Note being so high, Naruto not being on there at all. One Piece and Dragon Ball, both Dragon Balls being so low is fucking insane. It's criminal. It's like it's like if it's like if I turned around and told you, all of the films in that top 10, half of them weren't weren't on the list.
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. That's Like, 100 of the last twenty first century if I told turned around and told you, yeah, it tells sunshine in a spotless mind. No. No Country of Old Men. Not even on the list.
The Ice Warrior:Like, all of it just like
Thundernerd 1:Well Pissed. We move on. We move on. That was short lived and good fun. I wish I filmed that.
The Ice Warrior:Oh, damn
Thundernerd 1:it. God, I wish I got that on film for a for a clip. Okay. Anyway, good fun. That was half we'll come back with more possibly in the future.
Thundernerd 1:Okay? Now we're moving on to another new game.
Thundernerd 1:Welcome to agree
Thundernerd 1:or disagree. Okay. Now how is this one going to work? Let me explain. We're gonna fire off a few hot takes here.
Thundernerd 1:Now what's gonna happen is there's gonna be we're gonna have a minute if we disagree to just go for it at each other, figure out well, like, we've only got a minute. Okay. There'll be a sound bite that'll cue us down, like a clock will count us down that minute. If we disagree that if if we agree, all good, we'll move straight on. We're gonna go through 10 hot takes.
Thundernerd 1:I have instructed right after that whole thing about AI, I've instruct see, this is this is how to use AI people. I've instructed chat GPT to one at a time come up with some seriously controversial hot takes. Could be game, could be movie, could be TV. I don't know what they are. You don't know what they are.
Thundernerd 1:I will only know the moment that I give it the prompt to say give me number one. Now when we get it, I'll read it out. I'll do a three two one countdown. Three two one, and we say agree or disagree. And if it goes to disagree, we get a minute to explode.
Thundernerd 1:But then as soon as the minute's over, we cool off, we move on to the next one. Okay? We've only got one
The Ice Warrior:I think we should calling this AI hot takes if it's if it's gonna be Possibly. If it's gonna be written by Jatche BT.
Thundernerd 1:Here we go. Yeah. Are you ready? AI hot takes. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Maybe we should actually.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Here we go. Here we go.
Thundernerd 1:I'm gonna tell it to give me the first one now. The first one. Are you ready? Yep. The MCU should have ended with Avengers Endgame.
Thundernerd 1:Everything since has only diluted its legacy. Ready? We're gonna do a three, two, one after one we give our answer. You ready? Have a think.
Thundernerd 1:Have a quick think about that. So the MCU should have ended with Avengers Endgame. Everything since has only diluted its legacy. Okay. Okay.
Thundernerd 1:I've got mine locked in. You ready for this? Yep. Yep.
Thundernerd 1:Three, two, one, disagree.
The Ice Warrior:Disagree. Oh.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Okay. We disagree. We should we briefly touch on why that is? Or should we just move on?
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. Yeah. We'll briefly touch on it. I I think while it certainly hasn't been the strongest new phase, there certainly has been some very interesting additions. There's been some interesting concepts.
The Ice Warrior:I've enjoyed some of them, but like Wandavision was really good. Again, well, I mean, in general, again, not trying to do some nitpicking, but there's been some highs and lows.
Thundernerd 1:I think for me that at its simplest, I just enjoyed watching Tobey Maguire in in in No Way Home. So for me, it's it's really vain. It's just like I liked seeing Tobey back, you know, and and it was enjoyable, and I liked that movie. Everything else I could I barely watched it. You you're probably more up to date.
Thundernerd 1:I barely watch any of it, so that's it. Here we go. Yep. Number two. The Last of Us part two is a stronger, more important game than the first, even if most fans refuse to admit it.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Now, I've got a problem here. Haven't played it either of them.
The Ice Warrior:Haven't played either of them. Well, we'll move on we'll move on then. If it's not something you've played on, we just yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Do want me to ask for an alternative one?
The Ice Warrior:Ask for an alternative one. Yeah. Because it's not, yeah, if it's not applicable to you. I have I have thoughts, of course, but I
Thundernerd 1:haven't played it. Okay. Here we go. Christopher Nolan is overrated. His films are more about spectacle and puzzle box tricks than genuine storytelling.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Are you ready for this? Have you got your answer locked in? Oh, yeah. I've got my answer locked in as well.
Thundernerd 1:Mhmm. I'll count down. Three, two, one, agree. Disagree. Oh.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. The timer is on. Why do you disagree? Interesting.
Thundernerd 1:Why do you disagree? Go. Time is on.
The Ice Warrior:He's he's a great director. He continuously tends to push the boundaries of what he wants to be able to do in his films. He remains true to some classic film filmmaking style.
Thundernerd 1:Wrap it up. Wrap
Thundernerd 1:it up.
The Ice Warrior:He's he's he's just really good.
Thundernerd 1:I personally have jump in.
The Ice Warrior:I've gotta
Thundernerd 1:jump in. I've gotta jump in. He's overrated because every fucking man and his dog thinks
The Ice Warrior:he's the best away to of the world.
Thundernerd 1:He's good. He's not the best ever and people just see him because he's in the IMAX. He's in the screen. In general terms, in my opinion, yes, he is overrated. I won't say he's not good, but everything fucking ends with a twist these days with him.
Thundernerd 1:And I'm fucking anyway, okay.
The Ice Warrior:That that that that's it. That's it. I I would say per for me personally, he is not overrated. I think generally
Thundernerd 1:Generally.
The Ice Warrior:Like general consensus of people Tom Rob's Tom Rob's over people over hype him.
Thundernerd 1:That's him. Alright.
The Ice Warrior:That's where he come from, though. I get that.
Thundernerd 1:You get it. You get it. You know what I'm saying? In general terms. Okay.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Okay. Here we go. Number three.
Thundernerd 1:Stranger Things should have ended after season one. Everything since has just been fan service and nostalgia recycling. Have a think. Have a think. You ready?
Thundernerd 1:Yep.
Thundernerd 1:321, disagree.
The Ice Warrior:Disagree. Yeah. There we go. Yep. There we go.
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. It's good.
Thundernerd 1:It's good. Yeah. I I I think that I haven't seen it all, but I enjoyed Deca Montgomery's Billy enough from season two that that alone would warrant, you know, the rest of it for me. But Yeah. Fantastic.
Thundernerd 1:It's not really I've gotta be honest, like, the show is not my it's I'm like three
The Ice Warrior:cup of tea.
Thundernerd 1:I'm like three seasons behind it, but I I wouldn't say that, you know, everything else is completely like Last Time. People people still love it. It's very obvious that people Yeah. Still
The Ice Warrior:I mean, again, problems with it aside, like, it's a fun show to watch. It's good to kinda get into. I'm excited for the next season.
Thundernerd 1:I'm for the next one. Okay. Here we go. Number four.
The Ice Warrior:Okay.
Thundernerd 1:I don't know if this is a hard time, but let let's just say. The Star Wars sequel trilogy is worse than the prequels. At least the prequels had a clear vision. Woah. Okay.
Thundernerd 1:Fine.
The Ice Warrior:I wish you were recording video for this.
Thundernerd 1:I know. We'll work. We'll
The Ice Warrior:get we'll get that.
Thundernerd 1:We'll get that. Okay. Here we go. Here we go. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:We'll get there. We need to get there.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Three, two, one, agree.
The Ice Warrior:Agree. I
Thundernerd 1:don't think that's a
The Ice Warrior:hot It's easiest question I wanna answer.
Thundernerd 1:I don't think
The Ice Warrior:that's Oh my god.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Okay. Next one.
Thundernerd 1:Okay.
Thundernerd 1:Number five. The Office US is funnier without Michael Scott. The latest seasons prove the ensemble carried the show. Lock your answer in, and then let's go for this. The Office US is funnier without Michael Scott.
Thundernerd 1:The later seasons prove the ensemble carried the show. Are you ready for this? Mhmm.
Thundernerd 1:Three, two, one, disagree. Disagree. Massive disagree. Yeah. Massive disagree.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. I haven't even finished the show without him, and I've tried three times when I get up to that point, and I just can't finish it. So that's just, no, not for me.
The Ice Warrior:There's there's some emotional payoffs like towards the end of the show that kind of like factor a lot of that in. And it's good to see the kind of progression. This if it wasn't for the ensemble, the show wouldn't have carried as long as it did. Yep. And there is merit to that.
Thundernerd 1:Yep.
The Ice Warrior:There's merit also to a lot of like each individual cast member had their own sub style of comedy that they brought to the overall style of comedy that the show had. And there's definitely a lot to be said for the Michael Scott preference
Thundernerd 1:Mhmm.
The Ice Warrior:Of comedy as opposed to just the preference for any of the others. You could have that kind of preference, but no. The the show the show suffers greatly from
Thundernerd 1:him Yeah. And like you said, it might have payoffs here and there because he's not there to, you know, take over the entirety of of the that that the major parts of the plot, but once he's gone, yeah, it it even lacks a bit in in my opinion in the lead up to him leaving, like it starts to just searching for a new boss and stuff there, but then it dips a little bit. Okay. So Okay. We agree on that one.
Thundernerd 1:Let's have a look at number six. Here we go. Open world games are overrated. Most are just bloated maps with filler quests instead of meaningful gameplay. Open world games are overrated.
Thundernerd 1:Most are just bloated maps with filler quests instead of meaningful gameplay. I've got my answer locked in. Are you ready to go with this one? Yep. Nice and fast on this one.
Thundernerd 1:Here we go. Three
Thundernerd 1:two one. Agree. Disagree. Oh. Time is on.
Thundernerd 1:Go. Go. Go.
The Ice Warrior:No. Most, I would say, is an oversimplification there. There have been some absolutely completely stunning open world games. Case in point, Horizon Zero Dawn and Horizon Forbidden West are classic examples of how just rich and genuine the open world games can be. And I think
Thundernerd 1:I don't disagree. I don't disagree with that. However, my feeling is that there are way too many just just this is just off vibe. When I go and look on Steam and I look at games that are coming out, I feel like there's too many that just rely on the tagline of I'm an open world game to get you across the line and then you get in. And I feel like I played more that are less dense.
Thundernerd 1:Like, Baldur's Gate three is a great RPG open like, not open world, but Red Dead Redemption. You're not getting Red Dead Redemption every fucking day. Do you know what I'm trying to say there? I don't think I think
The Ice Warrior:Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:More than not, they are not okay. Time's over. Time's up. Time's up.
The Ice Warrior:No. I can I can get behind what you're saying there? No. I I get it.
Thundernerd 1:But, yeah, I I don't disagree that they are they are good open world games, of course. Okay. Interesting. Let's have a look where we're going with this one. Number seven.
Thundernerd 1:Doing 10 of these people. The Harry Potter movies are more beloved than they deserve. The books tell the story far better, and the films cut too much. Okay.
The Ice Warrior:Okay. Okay. I got my answer.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Here we go. Three,
Thundernerd 1:two, one. Disagree. Agree.
Thundernerd 1:Oh. Time is on.
Thundernerd 1:Go for it.
The Ice Warrior:Go ahead. You disagree.
Thundernerd 1:I disagree because I'm not saying that this question is saying they are more beloved than they deserve. I don't think they're more beloved than they deserve to be. I don't disagree that the books tell the story far better and the films cut a lot, but I think they do a really good job with how they put it together considering some of those books. Well, I'm talking Order, Goblet, Half Blood Prince, they're a lot. Right?
Thundernerd 1:I I I remember being upset with Half Blood Prince when it came out and how much it cut, but that's one of the ones on rewatching recent years. I actually really enjoy how they crafted that story and what they did to it. Personally, I don't think so. What do you think? Go for it.
Thundernerd 1:I love the
The Ice Warrior:I think personally, again, mostly mostly, yes. They do they have cut more than they realistically should I think the story in the movies suffers more from the occlusion of certain elements. Like, heaves as a is as a great example. Need more time.
Thundernerd 1:It's a minute. It's
The Ice Warrior:gonna I get this for ages, bro.
Thundernerd 1:I know. Know. We can't. Like, in general, yeah.
The Ice Warrior:Like, I I don't I think the movies themselves are beloved well enough. It's more just the later half of that. Because that's there's there's a couple of different statements getting made in that one hot take. Yeah. You're right.
The Ice Warrior:But Look.
Thundernerd 1:Does it cut a lot? Yes, it does. Is it a detriment if people haven't read the books, though? They they flow well as a film. You don't need to have read the books to enjoy and say that the Harry Potter movies are well crafted great films, if that makes sense.
The Ice Warrior:They're only that they're only well crafted because of the story they're based on though.
Thundernerd 1:True.
The Ice Warrior:True. And True. There's a lot they're missing out for. Like, the biggest thing for me is, like, missing out on peeves and then not getting the payoff in the fifth book with the twins, I think is wild. This is what they need to get
Thundernerd 1:right with the HBO show. If they don't get this right with hours and hours of content,
The Ice Warrior:then have you seen that? Have you seen what they've done? They've casted Warwick fucking Davis I
Thundernerd 1:don't like that.
The Ice Warrior:Why is he there?
Thundernerd 1:I don't like that, personally. Because
The Ice Warrior:They're they're using the same costumes.
Thundernerd 1:They're talking yeah. Like so they're talking about like, I saw Chris Columbus talking about this. He's going, they're using the they've almost made the Hagrid outfit we made for Hagrid. Like, if it's not gonna do things differently
The Ice Warrior:Casting is and then when you go
Thundernerd 1:and cast and I said that's exactly the same thing. Said that to someone else, like, if you're casting exactly the same fucking person as was the character, that that's a new line to cross. That that's a casting decision that was made, like, by a completely different creative team and you've copied it. Like, what are we gonna get? The same fucking Hogwarts design next?
Thundernerd 1:Are we gonna get the same the same score by John Williams? The the head the Hedwig theme? Is that is that what we're gonna do?
The Ice Warrior:Well, like That's that's an interesting point to make though because then what's what what then then you gotta think of what's the inverse of that. Do we change what has already been pre established? Yes. Do we change what towards like a new Hogwarts design.
Thundernerd 1:Yes.
The Ice Warrior:How can we have like, it's like saying, oh, I'm gonna redesign London in the twenty first century. Well, no, you're fucking not because that's London. That's been established as London. You can't just go, oh, I've got a creative vision for how London will no. That's London.
The Ice Warrior:You're basically saying
Thundernerd 1:That's that's like saying that they couldn't redesign the TARDIS interior in New Doctor Who because in classic Who, it always looked, you know, white and sterile. Yeah. It is though. That's the same.
The Ice Warrior:That's the that's the kind of conversation to have. Like, there is certain elements to the look that they can't change because that's already been like Look, because it's in
Thundernerd 1:the walks as It's a fucking castle. We know that. I mean, it's got a it's got a quidditch ground. It's got a the lake. These are things we know.
Thundernerd 1:It's got a fucking train that goes in and like, it's got the Whomping Willow somewhere. This is all stuff that but the design, I mean, come on, man. Like, it was it was made that was someone's creative vision what you see on the screen, like, are we changing that? I I I don't I think that sorry. I think we should change it.
Thundernerd 1:I I think I think I wanna see if you're gonna do it again, and I don't even think that it should have been done this soon, but if you're gonna do it, fucking make it different so that I'm not watching the same thing. Because I if I wanna watch Harry Potter films, I'll go watch the Harry Potter films. I wanna see a new take. I don't wanna see fucking I love shit. I've forgotten his name.
Thundernerd 1:What's his name? Flubwick. Warwick Davis.
The Ice Warrior:Warwick
Thundernerd 1:Davis. I love Warwick Davis.
The Ice Warrior:Warwick Davis.
Thundernerd 1:And and maybe that's a, you know, a wink wink little legacy casting, but I don't know, man. It just seems a bit, you know, odd. Could we not find anyone else? Let's just I don't know. Anyway, okay.
Thundernerd 1:But the fans look like they're happy
The Ice Warrior:with it. Post especially post Snow White as well, which is really unfortunate. Don't that. Like get me started But there's been a lot of lot of dancing around how they ethically hire what is the good like, is it hype challenged people? Dwarf?
The Ice Warrior:I don't think it's I don't think it's midget either. It's
Thundernerd 1:No. It's not midget.
The Ice Warrior:No. It's
Thundernerd 1:Google that. Google that. Fact check. Fact check that. Fact check that.
Thundernerd 1:Fuck.
The Ice Warrior:I don't know. Hang on
Thundernerd 1:a second. Let let's just let's just figure this out. That was that was so wrong, IMO, by Peter Denklege. Like, you put people out of work and they went up with CGI. That's that's way worse than than casting some people in a role that they might not they might not they they they work is already in acting probably hard enough for them anyway.
Thundernerd 1:But then you go on Limiting and go, there's seven roles here that I'm gonna cut and you can't be a part of, but I'll still be isn't he still like didn't he like do voice work in the Little film? Little film? Like anyway, whatever, man. Sure. That that pissed me off.
The Ice Warrior:Little little person. But yeah, that that that kind of like may have may have had a bit of an effect there as I still think I still think casting the casting of Snipe is a terrible idea. I just I'm not gonna take away faithful to the books. If they're gonna be more faithful to the books, they're gonna make the entire Marauder cast seem like a bunch of racists. Well, saw You can't get away from that.
The Ice Warrior:They fucking hang him from a tree.
Thundernerd 1:What are you talking about these are gonna be very different from the books and the films. Like, they're gonna go really different. And I'm like, okay. And they were talking
The Ice Warrior:about how they point of the series was to make it like more
Thundernerd 1:And were talking about how they're gonna they wanna make it like the less stylized and more like real or something. I'm like, what? This is Harry Potter. Like, don't wanna see bland fucking outfit. I wanna see some cool shit like wizards in top hats like they were in philosophy.
Thundernerd 1:The colors
The Ice Warrior:and bazazz, you know, like, yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Anyway, let's move on. Fired me up now.
The Ice Warrior:I'm fired
Thundernerd 1:up. Okay.
Thundernerd 1:I'm right into this now.
The Ice Warrior:I love it.
Thundernerd 1:Number eight. Animated films are often better than live action ones. The medium allows more creativity and emotional impact. Animated films are more often better than live action films. The medium allows more creativity and emotional impact.
Thundernerd 1:I've got my answer.
The Ice Warrior:I can't give one. I can't. I genuinely I genuinely can't. This is one that
Thundernerd 1:We've got it. This is
The Ice Warrior:one that has stumped me.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Take a little bit more time.
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. Go for it.
Thundernerd 1:I need you to lock in an answer here. I need you.
The Ice Warrior:I'm gonna lock in an answer, but it's not gonna be one you're like you're gonna like.
Thundernerd 1:Here we go. You ready?
Thundernerd 1:Yep. Three, two, one, disagree.
The Ice Warrior:Agree and disagree.
Thundernerd 1:No. You can't do that. You've gotta I can't.
The Ice Warrior:I can't, but that's genuinely how I feel. Like, you can't you can't have such a blanket statement for something like this. I mean
Thundernerd 1:You can. You can.
The Ice Warrior:To a certain extent, yes. To a certain extent, yes. You do have more creativity in animated movies because of the medium. You can quite literally do fucking
Thundernerd 1:You can. You can. Things. Okay. Let's say this.
Thundernerd 1:Let's let's say this. Let's They're say saying that their reason that that's almost them saying the medium allows for more creativity, emotional impact. It definitely allows for more creativity. Let's take that out. Let's say animated films are often better than live action ones.
Thundernerd 1:Let's blanket the statement. Let's take away the second part because that's almost like a justification at the end there. So maybe I need to preface that with these with these answers. That's almost like saying because I agree with that as well, that it would allow for creativity. Let's say animated films are more often better than live action ones agree or disagree.
Thundernerd 1:More often. Okay. You got an answer?
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. I've got an answer.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Let's go for it. Three two, one,
Thundernerd 1:disagree.
The Ice Warrior:Disagree. Yep.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Yeah. I think I think he prefaced very
The Ice Warrior:slight. Yeah. Very, very slight. Because it's like, if you I'm not sure how many animated movies you sat down and watched,
Thundernerd 1:but if you watched something like They're amazing. Anime films are amazing.
The Ice Warrior:If you sat like if if you sit down and watch something like a Your Name Yeah. When you compare that to whatever fucking slops currently out at the moment, wildly different. Like, you're gonna you're gonna walk away and then you're gonna be like significantly better. So cream of the crop wise, I think there's a lot to be said for a lot of animated films. Yep.
The Ice Warrior:Unfortunately, most of I'm talking I'm thinking like anime animated rather than just animated in general. But I mean, even just animated in general, there's some stories that just hit so much Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Well, let's let's move on with that one. That's an interesting question though. But yeah, we have to I mean, I have to try and preface some of what it says because it almost tries to just whine that you could be like, know, yes, that is true, but the overall statement you're going for, disagree with.
The Ice Warrior:100.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Here we go. I'm just gonna go for the the the hot take and not not go for the reason. You ready? Now this is actually, is difficult.
Thundernerd 1:Breaking Bad is overrated. I don't think you've seen it yet.
The Ice Warrior:I haven't seen it yet. I wanted I wanted to sit down and do do a bit of a watch through with you. I think that might be interesting for the pod as well. Yeah. Coming in and coming in from someone who's seen it, is an expert on, like, knows it well, and someone who just hasn't seen it at all, I think it'd be a nice little kind of discussion point.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Okay. And I'll just I'll just That's a I'll list. Change that one. Here we go.
Thundernerd 1:Alternate number nine. The Batman 2022 is overhyped.
The Ice Warrior:Okay. Okay.
Thundernerd 1:Three, two, one, agree. Disagree. Oh.
Thundernerd 1:Timer on.
The Ice Warrior:I don't think it's over hyped at all. I haven't personally seen much, like, all that much hype for it. It's a really good film. I quite enjoy it. That's about it.
The Ice Warrior:I don't think it's been over hyped. I think it's I think it's been about hyped about the level it should be.
Thundernerd 1:You've almost you're almost swinging me here because now that I think about it, I don't know if I saw heaps of hype for it after it came out.
The Ice Warrior:Anything more than what you would expect.
Thundernerd 1:And I and I would say that it's good, but it it's probably half an hour too long. I don't mind it. I like its look. I like its Yeah. Its vibe that it goes for.
Thundernerd 1:I like Patterson's not bad, but I I like the detective thing we've talked about, but I kind of think that
The Ice Warrior:One of the better
Thundernerd 1:Batman it this way, if people are saying, and I'm not sure if this is something people are saying, but I wouldn't say it's even close to some of the Dark Knight stuff. And I wouldn't say it's one of the best Batman films, personally. I I think it's good.
The Ice Warrior:I would say I I would say it's one of the better ones. Like, it's definitely in the
Thundernerd 1:Like the better If
The Ice Warrior:you're talking like top five, it's in the top five.
Thundernerd 1:Time's up. Interesting. Yeah. Look, I think that's an interesting one. You almost swung me around there because I know I'm thinking that was it even over hyped in the first place?
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. Like, I've really like, I've really I'm I may not be that dialed into it. I don't know. But like, it just didn't seem like it was that hyped to me. Like, I didn't see people hyping it that much.
Thundernerd 1:Alright. Here we go. Number 10, Lucky Last. Here we go.
The Ice Warrior:Oh, here we go.
Thundernerd 1:Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Video game remakes and remasters are ruining originality. Interesting.
Thundernerd 1:That is interesting. Okay.
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. No. I got an answer.
Thundernerd 1:I think I do too. Okay. Yep. I think I do. Okay.
Thundernerd 1:Here we go. You ready?
The Ice Warrior:Yep. Yep.
Thundernerd 1:Three,
Thundernerd 1:two, one. Agree. Disagree. Go for it.
The Ice Warrior:It's like pulling back to the Batman. How many times is Batman being remade? Superman, all these other superhero movies, all these other really high profile or the Bond film remake remakes specifically, turning around and going, oh, that's ruining creativity is crap shit, honestly. Because, like, otherwise, it's the
Thundernerd 1:same as every other community. Then rely on nostalgia, like, to go, oh, you know, come back to this. Have a have a you know, let's not make something new. This worked.
The Ice Warrior:That's
Thundernerd 1:We know you like it. Come back
The Ice Warrior:for more. We'll we'll remaster it. We'll we'll make it look better, but the same game like Hooked Nostalgia T. Veins. That's the difference between a remaster and a remake though, isn't it?
The Ice Warrior:Remaster is literally making the same game but making it with updated graphics and updated performance. Remaking it into roughly the same game but it's different in a lot of ways.
Thundernerd 1:No. It's the
The Ice Warrior:fucking same. Okay. Give me give me a Batman Origin movie. It's the same thing. It's just done with They're talking about games Superman origin movie.
Thundernerd 1:No. No. No. No. No.
Thundernerd 1:Because the the difference is I I know, I'm I'm I decree we go over time with this one.
The Ice Warrior:Here we go.
Thundernerd 1:I decree that that's what the fucking saying.
The Ice Warrior:Exist when you wanna
Thundernerd 1:do Hold up. Hold up. I wanna tell you something, motherfucker. This is the problem with that. The the you know, if I'm talking about when do you see a film remade almost shot for shot?
Thundernerd 1:You don't. Like, they don't really do it. It's usually like a a project. Recently. Look, if they do it, it's more of a project to go, can we remake it one for one and and and and do it with new cameras or try it with the same camera or try and do what they did.
Thundernerd 1:This is to say games pretty much, I mean, remakes, like you said, they might have slight changes here or there, remasters. Anyway, okay, that's Tom. That's Tom. I'm gonna play by the rules. We disagree hard on that one.
Thundernerd 1:How interesting. There you go. Thunderbirds fire Hey, we need to we need to bring this segment back. This is some
The Ice Warrior:good shit. Oh, no. I'm liking this. Okay. AI hot takes.
Thundernerd 1:AI hot takes. Okay.
The Ice Warrior:We've gotta we've gotta create a we should do a list of like five and five of our own hot takes. I think it'll be funny. Like, hot takes we know either either we know that we've got hot takes about or we know the other person
Thundernerd 1:is gonna have a hot takes Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Now, let's okay. Let's move on.
Thundernerd 1:Step on up here to the spinning wheel and have a little spin of this one.
Thundernerd 1:Spinning wheel. I'm gonna share my screen for you, and we're gonna do the spinning wheel now. And after we've done the spinning wheel okay. The spinning wheel will dictate next week what two new segments we do. Because they're gonna come in and out.
Thundernerd 1:Different segments will come in and out different weeks. Right? Now Right. We're gonna spin it, and then we're gonna move on because I've got an announcement to make on this podcast. An exciting announcement.
Thundernerd 1:Oh my god. Okay. Let's
Thundernerd 1:So I'm gonna share my screen. Please.
Thundernerd 1:Tell me when you can see this. Hopefully, you don't hear yourself, but you probably will. Sorry that I haven't figured
The Ice Warrior:that out. Well, poor effort, honestly.
Thundernerd 1:Poor effort. Know. You better. I don't know if you're gonna be able to see this, but I'm just gonna share the entire screen. Here we go.
Thundernerd 1:Here we go. We've got our games here. Alright? The options are
The Ice Warrior:Oh, shit.
Thundernerd 1:Do you want me to read out or should I go through them all for you? Just intro them so you know what they are. Or do want me to just spin it and then we go for it?
The Ice Warrior:You should you should go through it for the for the people at home.
Thundernerd 1:Here we go.
The Ice Warrior:I forgot what
Thundernerd 1:is for. First one is what if. One comes up with a what if and the Thunder Nerds have ten minutes to go on a tangent of that scenario and its potential ramifications. Right? Number two, that plot was awful.
Thundernerd 1:Describe the plot of a film, TV show, or game badly to the other. You got a certain amount of time to get it right. We bring three each for that one. Right? Real or fake?
Thundernerd 1:Read out outrageous plot synopsis, some real, some made up, others have to guess. Right? Number four, tagline. Guess the movie slash game from its official tagline, like the poster kind of tagline. The IMDb shuffle.
Thundernerd 1:Read the cast list backwards or in a weird order and see who can name the show slash film first, three each. Greatest of. We build a, shall we say, a Mount Rushmore of, you know, the top villain soundtracks from films, that kind of thing. Right? We both we we both bring our our our list of a certain thing and go, here's the top of this, the greatest of this category.
Thundernerd 1:Underrated slash overrated, we take turns calling out a property and we decide, one two three, is it overrated or is it underrated? Okay?
The Ice Warrior:I was gonna suggest this is a this is guess the game, where you're given literally a usually zoomed in screenshot of a particular part of a game Yes. And you have like five or six different screenshots in order to guess the game.
Thundernerd 1:To guess the game. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, I I wanna add that in.
Thundernerd 1:Reboot rule roulette. We pick a random, an old show, a game, we pitch the reboot. Yeah. Who's the cast? What's the tone?
Thundernerd 1:What's the streaming service, etcetera? We go to town on that. Crossover chaos, we imagine what would happen if two properties merged. How would it play out? The example here is Breaking Bad and Mario Kart.
Thundernerd 1:That's a very odd choice. One star wonders. We read funny one star reviews of beloved classics Yep. And we have to not laugh. Okay?
Thundernerd 1:So I'll read it out. We have to not laugh. See who wins that one. Sound bite plays short clips of iconic sound effects or game audio, and we have to guess what it's from. See who gets it right.
Thundernerd 1:You know the score. Everyone locks in a guess for the critic audience score of a random film on Rotten Tomatoes. We see if we can outdo each other with that. See who gets closest. Mhmm.
Thundernerd 1:Draw the thing. Draw the TV show, movie, or game under time pressure, and the person has to guess as you draw one minute timer. Who said it? We read a line of dialogue out of context, and we must name the character or source that it came from. Courtroom drama.
Thundernerd 1:So one plays the judge in this scenario, the other has to come prepared to the podcast with an argument for or against a ridiculous claim, but you've got to go hard with your cell and one of his plays judge. For example, Shrek is the greatest love story ever told.
The Ice Warrior:Shrek is love. Shrek is love.
Thundernerd 1:Right? Okay. Ultimate ultimate If you know,
The Ice Warrior:you know.
Thundernerd 1:If you know, you know. Ultimate ultimatums. So would you rather have had a friend's reunion never exist or a Game of Thrones season a be erased? I think we all know what we would have rather than that scenario, in that example, but that's one. 88 miles per hour.
Thundernerd 1:Now this one, we've gotta pick a a top three random topic, and we each have a very short amount of time to spit out the top three. So it might be like the best nineties sitcoms episodes or something. Like, something niche, and we've gotta come up really quickly with a top three of that. Reddit on Reddit, talking through a ridiculous Reddit forum in the comments. That's as simple as it is.
Thundernerd 1:We just go we just find we find something
The Ice Warrior:Oh, okay.
Thundernerd 1:And we just go to town and and read what is the what is the the Reddit talking about, and what are the comments, and how ridiculous is it? Blind rankings, last one, we rank five shows, films, games, or whatever in the order as they're revealed. I've seen that done on TikTok heaps, the one where like, you know, five comes up. You gotta you gotta list of one, two, three, four, five, and as the thing comes up, okay, quickly where do you put it? Do you put it at three, but you don't know what's coming up next after
The Ice Warrior:that? Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:So that's that one. Here we go. Alright. Are you ready? I'll add your one.
Thundernerd 1:What was it?
The Ice Warrior:Guess the game.
Thundernerd 1:Guess the game. Here we go, Thunder Nerds. Here we go.
The Ice Warrior:We'll do an explanation again of the topics that do show up here as well.
Thundernerd 1:Percent. We're picking two. We're picking two. Alright. This is for next week.
Thundernerd 1:The IMDb shuffle.
The Ice Warrior:You're gonna kill me in this one.
Thundernerd 1:Oh, the IMDb
The Ice Warrior:shuffle. Okay. No hoe.
Thundernerd 1:Huge. Okay. So the the IMDb shuffle, Thunder Nerds, we read the cast list backwards. So we both come prepared with three films. I'd say films would probably be the best one or or show.
Thundernerd 1:Yeah. Film or show, and you've gotta come prepared. It's gotta be something that you can't be you can't try and do something that the other person clearly has never seen, I feel. That's one thing. Or if or it's gonna be popular enough that the other person would know do you know do you know what I'm trying to get out with that?
The Ice Warrior:Yeah. Yeah.
Thundernerd 1:So okay. The IMDb shuffle, three each. We gotta come with three each for that next week. Okay. Let's see what else.
Thundernerd 1:One more time. What do we get?
The Ice Warrior:What are we gonna get?
Thundernerd 1:What are we gonna get? Oh, no. No. No. No.
The Ice Warrior:I'm No. Terrible. I don't think you've picked probably the two worst for me, honestly.
Thundernerd 1:The thing. We've got to draw in one minute while the other person watches a show, a game, or a or a movie, and the other person has to get it, I guess we we maybe do three each and whoever gets the most right, you'd probably give it to the person who who drew them because they did a better job of drawing. Okay.
The Ice Warrior:This is why I was always terrible at picturing, man. Fuck.
Thundernerd 1:I'm not gonna lie. I think I'm probably worse at drawing than you are.
The Ice Warrior:Of course.
Thundernerd 1:Alright. That is
The Ice Warrior:So cool.
Thundernerd 1:That is that is pretty yeah. That's the segments. Let's lock that in. I'm gonna put a tick next to that one. I'll stop sharing for you, my dear friend.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. We're gonna move on because we've got a little announcement on this podcast, and this is gonna get exciting people. Move on. Okay. Announcement time.
Thundernerd 1:We're bringing something new to this potty. Something exciting. Something for the listeners. Hey. Let's bring it in with this.
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The Ice Warrior:You're me. You're killing me, bro.
Thundernerd 1:What? That's it. Have got a hotline. We've got a hotline. The audience, the Thunder Nerds, you can and I'll make sure it's in the show notes.
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The Ice Warrior:it
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Thundernerd 1:You can also find the Thunder Nerds link tree, which has our Instagram, our TikTok, where you've got edits coming out. Go and follow that. Have you got anything else you wanna plug, Ice Warrior?
The Ice Warrior:No. Nothing for the moment. Just yeah. Come check out the streams when I do them more frequently, and the show every Wednesday night at 08:30 Australian Eastern Standard Time. It's it's a good laugh at the moment.
The Ice Warrior:We're getting into some really peak content, you don't wanna miss out. Huge. Huge.
Thundernerd 1:Okay. Well, that's it. That's us done. We're wrapped. Alright.
Thundernerd 1:Until next time, Thunder Nerds. It's been good. Over and out.